Re: Androstenediol--Everyone read- I'm using now!

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: : Unique and others : : As I posted a week ago, I purchased a two month supply : : of Androstene and started using it over a week ago. The : : company that sells it is OSMO therapy out of San Francisco. : : It is expensive $50-60 for 60 caps, but they'll cut : : you a better deal if you buy a case of twelve bottles. : : I had read up on the substance and exchanged some e-mails : : with Pat Arnold (its originator in the states) regarding its : : use (Pat is partnered with OSMO Therapy on this and other : : products). I had thought it was similar to Ipriflavone, in : : that it would prevent aromitazation and thus trick the : : pituatary to trigger more test production by the testes. As : : it turns out, Androstenione is the direct precursor to : : test, and is converted to testosterone by the liver. : : OSMO recommends two capsules only on workout days, two : : hours before workout for a 200-300% increase in test. : : After my e-mail exchange with Pat Arnold, (who by the way is : : much more gracious in responding than Duchaine or Kneller-who : : both auto respond with consultation available for $250 : : per hour) I opted for the alternative method of consistant dosing throughout the day : : to keep test levels elevated. : : I've been doing this for ten days, and do notice a difference. I'm not using : : any other supplements (except for protein shake twice a day) : : and have'nt used A.S. in quite a long time. In the ten day time : : frame, I can't say the changes are dramatic, but they are : : noticealbe. My muscles are definitely fuller and harder, : : pump quicker during workouts. I don't do tape measurements, : : but my weight is up about 3 lbs (could be coincidental as : : I tend to fluctuate between 245 and 250 regularly-but coupled with the : : full, pumped feeling, I do feel a little bigger). Interestingly : : enough the most significant change, (that even some others have : : noticed is that my abs are slightly more evident). Now I had a : : bodyfat measurement 5 days before starting and it was at : : 16.5% ucch! I will have another done after the first full month. : : I haven't maxed on any of my lifts, because I usually max every : : second week anyhow, and want to keep my routine the same. : : I generally feel slightly stonger (could be placebo effect) and : : seem to have one or two more reps in me than usual. : : No oily skin or pimples, or any other side effects yet, : : although I have been sportin wood alot more (also could : : be placebo effect). : : Sorry for the anectodal report, but after only 10 days, : : its tough to comment on even some A.S. It is legal, : : It does seem to be working but the way I'm using (2 caps : : 3 times a day) makes this an even more expensive venture : : than a cycle of EAS crap, but I'll keep everyone posted on my : : Max's next weeks. : : S3 : : : I have been doing some research of late on some naturally occuring hormones that would be highly : : : efficacious. From what I gather so far--androstenediol is naturally occurring and highly potent. : : : It is considered very anabolic but our govt does not consider it an anabolic steroid. It should : : : be legal--at least for awhile. DHEA is listed in the Merck as an androgenic steroid and it is : : : allowable (probably because it doesn't work). If DHEA is allowable, why not androstenediol? I : : : am working on this at present (very slowly) and will keep you posted. I don't know a whole lot : : : about it at this time. : : : Keep up the fight! : : : Unique : And what about the sex drive ? Any change (increase/decrease) ?? : WG

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