Posted by Al on March 27, 1997 at 18:13:20:
In Reply to: Re: MOONFACE..or other D-bol Gurus..Need Advice posted by moonface on March 26, 1997 at 10:59:16:
: : : : I'm about to start my first cycle of d-bol (4 tabs a day for 5 weeks with weekends off, as advised by moonface) and I need some last minute advice. First, should I take all four tabs together in the morning or should I space them out throughout the day?...Second,..If I use clomid and proviron and/or nolvadex,..should I wait until I'm done with all the d-bol or should I integrate it into the cycle. And finally,..should I consider using some of the natural oils such as saw palmeto or primrose to ease the side effects or will they be a waste of time and money?...Thanks for any and all info.
: : : Oh yeah, one more thing,..as I stated before,..I'm 5'7" and 135lbs..even though I'm this small, should I still be taking 300g of protein?..If not how much should I be getting and how many calories a day should I get?
: : Well, if nobody else'll help ya I guess I'll take a stab. First of all, no offense to Moonface, but your cycle is all screwed up. Why take weekends off? You want to keep the stuff in your blood stream the whole time. Methandrostenolone gets in and out of your system pretty quickly, so you should take the dosages throughout each day and everyday for the cycle. Here's a cycle or something like it that Big Canuk (I think)recommended a beginner a while ago. Since you're a pretty diminutive fellow, these dosages should be okay. 3-4-5-4-3-2. That's tabs per day per week on a weekly basis. A 6 week no brainer diamond cycle with a little emphasis on the taper. Or you could go with the true diamond: 2-3-4-3-2. This would last five weeks and be a bit milder than the first cycle. About the protein, you can't get too much, load it on man, but no more than 50g or so per serving. You do want to grow don't you? Also, try to go for 4-5000 calories a day. Don't worry about getting fat, your body will need it
: : while you're juicing. Also, you probably don't need to worry about the nolvadex because you're using relatively low dosages but you never know right? It's good to have if the nipples start acting up. (hah!) The prov is good for after the cycle to keep your androgen to estrogen ratio in sync while the clomid is bringing your natural levels of test back to normal. I've heard this approach recommended: 2 weeks before you go off the cycle, hit the prov at 25mg a day, and then immediately after the cycle use 50mg a day of the prov along and 100mg of clomid a day for 5 days and then 50mg of clom for another 5 days. If you can get some HCG then take that after the cycle and wait 4 days to do the clomid. I don't know if all that is really necessary for such a mild cycle but I guess it couldn't hurt. I've never been without at least some clomid for after a cycle, so I couldn't tell you otherwise. The reason I typed all this is because I haven't seen it on the board in a while. It's all explained in the
: : archives a lot better, so check that damn search engine! Hope this helps. Later.
: Ok, disregarding the above post I'd say you won't need any special oils nor any ancillary drugs. Clomid and the array of other ancillary drugs should only be incorporated into a cycle in which duration and side effects make it a necessity. On 100 tabs of dbol you should not have much trouble and should not need any extra drugs, its a very tiny cycle. Now a days too many people think ancillary drugs are a necessary part of steroid cycles. They are not in many instances. Should you hit harder cycles and notice strong side effectes you may have to give it some though. Not with 100 tabs of dbol though, unless you are very sensitive. For more even blood levels, 2 tabs AM and 2 PM may be a good idea. As you see above, I guess alot of people think this cycle is unconventional but let your results be the judge. I'm sure you will be very happy.
That's cool. If it works, then I don't have a problem with it. I hope I didn't confuse the poor guy, but I've never used just dbol by itself. As far as the other extra drugs are concerned, you're right moonface. I guess I'm just a junkie or something, I'm extra careful coming off a cycle because I've seen people melt afterwards, and I don't want that to happen. Then again, with 100tabs of dbol, there's no really no need. I personally wouldn't recommend a cycle unless they had at least 200 tabs but like I said before, if you know it's going to work, then my argument is a moot point. Experience, I've found, is the key. I like it when people give constructive feedback because that's how I learn. Good luck with the cycle, Newbie2. Later.