Re: To Pat- Does this help any?

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: : Hey Pat, : : Me telling you something is like me telling Noah all : : about how floods are (in other words you probably : : already know all this) but here goes. : : From an examination of the hypothalamus/testicular : : axis, an increase in spermatogenesis would very : : probably also involve an increase in testosterone. : : I could write a book, but here is the brief, condensed : : version: : : 1. The hypothalamus releases GnRH : : 2. The GnRH stmulates FSH and LH : : 3. FSH increase = increase in androgen binding proteins (ABP) : : 4. LH acts on the interstitial cells to increase testosterone : : 5. The interaction of the ABP and the testosterone within the : : seminiferous tubule is what causes spermatogenesis. : : As you can see, an increase in spermatogenesis has : : to come from an increase in GnRH to result in an : : increase in the two main ingredients necessary- ABP : : and testosterone. : : Having said all that, "Bone" and I are in the process : : of testing all of this out which will also include : : a look into the botanical abstracts to review the : : actual studies on tribulis. I will be happy to post : : our findings. Hope that helped? Thanks for your : : comment about not immediately believing supplement : : claims. You are very correct about that. : : Another Jeff : : Dude I am sure there are many other steps that can be effected : that are independent or succeeding the androgen increase. Did you know that : pregenolone has been shown to increase spermatogenesis? Do you honestly : think that it is via increased gonadotropin secretion/androgen production? : Perhaps yes if you are talking about an autocrine process but that would have no : effect on systemic androgen levels and subsequent muscle growth. : : PA

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